My pet has the following symptoms:
Slight Discomfort Playing Ball
I am a former Tech, yet am injured. Long story short I am all about prevention, grain free, holistics, etc. Myself and my now Service Dog , that was surrendered to our Rescue has developed Diagnosed with benigb epulis/ canine hyperplasia. He just turned 7yo, MC Doberman. He gets titreed for all by Rabies as we were massively exposed to toxic waste and lost all. All my furkids and I miscarried fron hit. Teeth, hair, all being treated on me. I have all tumors FNA. Yet I do not feel a FNA is a definitive enough diagnosis for oral tumors. I brush daily making sure to keep any bacteria or calculus from collecting between the tumors and teeth or attaching. He has an appointment end of this Month with a Dental DVM Specialist for a consult as they were all smooth in appearance except one slightly lateral, and then the rest on his Maxilla, premolar . It has become slightly different not as smooth as the others. I requested Dental,Chest, Abd, Hip, extremities Rads to check for any metastasis. A CBC,CHEMISTRY, VwD DNA test, Free T-4 all clear. Issue I can't decide between Cryosurgery or a huge risk at laser/Co2 Anesthesia Sx. He can barely handle a light sedative or benedryl it hits him hard. I am terrified for so many reasons. He is my life, love, all I have after all we lost. Lives priceless. Not to mention he us my SD for Mobility. I don't trust the FNA as formentioned, yet his extensive testing my vet had him on a wait and watch. Until we both agreed this week we didn't like the appearance of the one. He has about 8 oral. All Skin tumors gave tested benign I took him to an oncologist. At that time he didn't have any oral tumors. I have researched Cryo was used alot then not so much now making a comeback. I would like to avoid anesthesia at any cost. He allows ANYTHING to be done . I perform his dentals myself to a point without getting bacteria internally. I have preformed hundreds on Pets at my prior job. I have no space for all I do for him to keep him in the best of health. Yet I will not lose anymore to that sesspool home and area. Rarely in Rescue papers follow his and his sister did, (Adopted.) The new Pet parents stated neither his litter mate (Red,), nor his mother have not one tumor? Grazie, help. I have begged vets to perform a local and remove about 3 larger ones. The few smaller epulis come off and grow back. Very rarely he rubs his face , yet E/D normal. I have bot iced okay ing ball I believe he is feeling them more. The largest is no larger than a pea to coffee bean (worrisome one,)So I believe approximately 10 mm the one on maxilla. All I can get under and none upon rads or palpation seem to be invasive to any bone. The rest a few with a small Skin tag epulI appearance and a bit of hyperplasia in the gums (overgrowth.) I have been on top of these like a hawk, yet torn between cryo and laser. I really do not want him and he does not require anesthesia. Still I know how terrible Field works and seems all want to toss under full anesthesia. After exposure I lost my prior Doberman and dsh kitty(A Dental with no extractions at 14 yo. He developed a hematoma , lingual.) My Doberman was having all lipomas removed 8. Leave them be IMO , turned out he has IMHA from Toxins. He made it. I bused him a Month and drained sermomas. Slept with my Stethoscope on him a Month. Yet a year later or less the toxins took him and 3 more of my furkids. DLH, Lizard, Dobe /Husky mix. All pointing at Toxins. RBC issues, GI Issues, Cancer.I have to make the right choice. They cannot stay as we know they can become malignant, it is the removal and why not a Vet will touch a case like ours. 0:(. These Chenicals extreme as we were exposed down to Environmental are killing our furkids. Side Note most pets passed terribly,on News, all in the contaminated area.
Thank You for your advice Dr. Apologies, for the typos,seems to occur on blogs? My issue is the risk of anaesthesia vs these oral tumors. From prior experience and our exposure, it never went well under Anaesthesia for my kiddos post toxic exposure. Prior to mass exposure of Love Canal,it (Chemicals,) shall I say,they had not built up such a mass amount at that time. They received 2 Dentals a year,perk at work, better health insurance then me, lol. With not a single issue.
Testing at our homes = Radiation,PCB's, Mercury,over 200 toxic chemicals,seeping still, and tested very high, way beyond what any human could handle. I have found a DVM that is very experienced in Cryo here, being in NYC we have many choices, waiting lists, yet choices. This DVM actually trains others to properly use Cryo. Being in the Field so long,thankfully, we never lost a Patient while myself, (Anaesthesia Tech,) and the Dr's Pt on his/her table, had our Sx days, from anaesthesia.
Please understand this is not the typical, understandable, worries, as most have about their furkiddos going under. I just cannot seem too locate much information as to what went wrong that they started, stopped and then are now, making a comeback with Cryo? I am concerned about the sloughing off and any infection or increase in size from what I have found, research wise. Then risking not obtaining a suitable biopsy. The FNA I am comfortable with on skin tumors, still oral, I myself have seen better results with biopsies. I am sure first thing you think is a Doberman, yet realize he is a very well trained SD, Search & Rescue and an excellent Pt. Isn't there any better option to get a biopsy without full anaesthesia? I understand,at least where I worked, we took every precaution in Sx. Sevo,pulse ox,I.V catheter,fluids,crash cart, manual as well as machine charting every 5 minutes,EKG,etc, you know the drill. Still at what point do you have to play Russian Roulette when every pet exposed at my prior home did not handle anaesthesia? When is it time, for the oath we both took,to lean more towards not so much ,"White Coat?" With technology advances in Medicine, there are vets that will remove a cyst with a local, why not? Slight discomfort for a minute to save his life? We have lidocaine and sedatives? With the speed many experienced DVM's have obtained with years of experience, I sincerely hope it isn't the fact the largest cost of Sx is the anaesthesia. Many humans are having ," Awake Sx," as they find more negative long term effects from Anaesthesia. If my dog can barely handle HW or Flea Meds, we both have consistent medication intolerance, both proved from the exposure, why not local? In fact I hated to ask for all those Rads, as little as it emits, we have been mass exposed to Radiation it takes a toll. However, I made the decision that making sure,prayers, they are all benign, JIC to check if not any metastatic.
Yes,it is true animals cannot handle the same medications as humans , however many medications are very much used with much smaller dosages. With his Hip Rads, he was knocked out and disoriented for 2 days from a mild sedative frim them at 5 yo. He did not require the Sedation,they stated he was excellent, yet Hospital Policy. He is kept at a 4 BS index to prevent arthritis as per his DVM. Still with all the labwork, rads, you would not recommend a light sedative to gather a small biopsy of the tumor of concern? Then decide if it is a life or death scenerio? Puting him fully under is high risk. Not just my opinion. If you can offer any reliable links or thoughts as to Cryo I would really appreciate it. As you read I have no issues with prevention,for me to say it is not safe, I mean it. Yet, I can't leave this tumor intact either. Warmest Regards.
Jan. 3, 2018
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